Legislature(1999 - 2000)

03/09/1999 03:31 PM Senate STA

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          SB   8-MINIMUM REQUIRED PLUMBING FACILITIES                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVE DONLEY, sponsor of SB 8, explained the bill will adopt                                                             
a formula for plumbing in women's facilities in Alaska, similar to                                                              
the national standard.  SB 8 will apply to buildings in which                                                                   
groups of people are assembled, such as concert halls, constructed                                                              
after January 1, 2000.  Alaska adopted the Uniform Building Code,                                                               
with the exception of Table 4.1 which listed and increased the                                                                  
required number of water closets and lavatories in buildings.                                                                   
Alaska did not adopt Table 4.1 because its structure is confusing;                                                              
instead it opted to continue using Table A-29-A, its predecessor.                                                               
SB 8 modifies the A-29-A table to increase the number of required                                                               
water closets equivalent to Table 4.1.  He proposed changes to SB
8 to lower the number of water closets required for the 1-50 person                                                             
occupancy level to four, for the 51-100 person occupancy level to                                                               
eight, to incorporate a reference to lavatories, and to insert the                                                              
language that currently appears in the A-29-A table.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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CHAIRMAN WARD asked why Senator Donley is requesting the proposed                                                               
changes.  SENATOR DONLEY replied DOL inspectors prefer the system                                                               
used in the A-29-A table.  The reference to lavatories would                                                                    
require the number of lavatories to be increased when the number of                                                             
water closets is increased.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY reviewed a proposed committee substitute distributed                                                             
to committee members.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD asked if Senator Donley's recommendations differ from                                                             
the Uniform Building Code.  SENATOR DONLEY said his numbers create                                                              
a different result.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD asked why Senator Donley chose his system.  SENATOR                                                               
DONLEY repeated the new Uniform Building Code increases the number                                                              
of facilities.  Those appying the new standard felt it was                                                                      
difficult to administer and prefer to use the former table.  SB 8                                                               
provides the simplicity of the former table while increasing the                                                                
number to at least those required by the new table.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD asked whether the new requirements will apply to the                                                              
Jehovah's Witness Assembly Hall building.  SENATOR DONLEY said he                                                               
believes the Uniform Building Code applies to all buildings, so it                                                              
would apply to churches also.  He added SB 8 only applies to new                                                                
construction.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD asked if SB 8 will apply to remodel projects.  DWIGHT                                                             
PERKINS, Department of Labor (DOL), believed remodel projects that                                                              
begin after January 1, 2000 will have to comply with SB 8.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY discussed changes he  made in a sponsor substitute,                                                              
which he did not introduce.  On page 2, the phrase "and lavatories"                                                             
was inserted after "water closets."  On line 7, the number "8" was                                                              
replaced with "4."  On line 8, the number "10" was replaced with                                                                
the number "8."  On line 12, after the phrase "400 females," the                                                                
following phrase was inserted, "and that there shall be one                                                                     
lavatory for each water closet up to four; and one for each two                                                                 
additional water closets."  He explained that language will apply                                                               
to assembly places as well as Group A in Table A-29-A.  He                                                                      
recommended the committee adopt those changes in a committee                                                                    
substitute.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR WILKEN referred to the table provided by Senator Donley,                                                                
and asked if it will now read "4,8,12,14,16,18,20,22."  SENATOR                                                                 
DONLEY said it will.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked if AS 18.60.705 applies to architects.                                                                     
SENATOR DONLEY said it does.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked, because SB 8 will impose costs, where the                                                                 
numbers came from.  SENATOR DONLEY said he made a policy call on                                                                
the numbers.  He suggested the committee modify the numbers to be                                                               
closer to Table 4.1.  He stated the numbers he used are slightly                                                                
higher than those in Table 4.1.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR WILKEN noted requiring the Jehovah's Witness Hall to add                                                                
six water closets as part of a remodel could stop the project,                                                                  
because of the cost.  He suggested adding language to the bill to                                                               
exempt remodel projects that are unable to go forward because of                                                                
the additional costs imposed by SB 8.  SENATOR DONLEY indicated all                                                             
remodel projects could be exempted.  He added Table A-29-A has a                                                                
separate requirement for places of worship, so it would not apply                                                               
to the Jehovah's Witness Hall.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD asked if the Viking Hall would be exempt.  SENATOR                                                                
DONLEY said no, because it is considered an assembly place.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN asked that the committee revisit the remodel issue                                                               
and make adjustments to the number of toilets required in Table A-                                                              
29-A.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN asked if contractors are prevented, in any way, from                                                              
installing extra water closets at this time.  SENATOR DONLEY did                                                                
not think so.  SENATOR GREEN asked when the Uniform Building Code                                                               
will be readdressed.  SENATOR DONLEY replied the Uniform Building                                                               
Code is updated and adopted every three years.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN asked if architects, when designing new buildings,                                                                
are more likely to include a higher number of water closets, rather                                                             
than the minimum required now, knowing that remodeling later on to                                                              
meet updated codes will be more expensive.  SENATOR DONLEY thought                                                              
it would depend on the fiscal constraints of the project.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN asked if the entire Uniform Building Code is adopted                                                              
into state statute.  SENATOR DONLEY said some of it is adopted by                                                               
incorporation in state statute.  AS 18.60.690 contains the present                                                              
Uniform Building Code with the exclusion of Table 4.1.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN WARD asked why Table 4.1 was not incorporated into                                                                     
statute.  SENATOR DONLEY repeated Table 4.1 was confusing in the                                                                
way it was structured and more difficult to administer than the                                                                 
existing Table A-29-A.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR GREEN asked if Senator Donley spoke with whoever made the                                                               
decision to exclude Table 4.1  SENATOR DONLEY said he did not, but                                                              
he spoke with DOL staff.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DWIGHT PERKINS clarified DOL felt the user groups of the Uniform                                                                
Building Code would have a difficult time interpreting Table 4.1,                                                               
therefore DOL requested that previous legislation be amended to                                                                 
allow the continued use of Table A-29-A.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN questioned if Table 4.1 contains other requirements                                                               
not included in Table A-29-A.  MR. PERKINS replied Table A-29-A                                                                 
refers to water closets and lavatories only; Table 4.1 also refers                                                              
to fixtures and urinals.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
There being no further discussion, CHAIRMAN WARD asked Senator                                                                  
Donley to work with staff and Senators Wilken and Green to prepare                                                              
a committee substitute.                                                                                                         

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